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brewing on health care. congress is getting ready to officially start debating the plan to replace obamacare and later today, president trump's meet with some skeptical lawmakers. we're talk with the chairman of the house freedom caucus, congressman mark meadows, part of the group leading to repeal first and then replace. first the best political team. kasie hunt on capitol hill. chris jansing at the white house, ashley parker, msnbc political analyst, senior political reporter for the "usa today" as well, heidi przballa. how tough is his job today? >> it's a pretty tough job. the bill that they unveiled yeerday took a beating from conservative groups in particular. and so the job now for house leaders is to try to corral the 218 votes they need as they amend this bill. mark-uchs going on today as
well. but the message the speaker had for the conference behind closed doors a few minutes ago is that, look, this is the bill the president is behind. a source familiar with what happened in the room says that the speaker spoke yesterday twice with president trump and that now there is no lack of clarity about where the white house stands. that, of course, has been the challenge for legislating in the age of trump. there may not be a question that he'd get on board with their plan but it all seemed very negative. people felt they didn't have firm direction. had them running every which way. difficult when you're trying to get 218 people to stay and support the same thing. >> we're coming to you right after we hear from house speaker ryan. i want to bring in congressman mark meadows, republican from north carolina and chairman of the freedom caucus. thank you for joining us. you've been doing a lot of media over the last 24 or 48 hours talking about this bill. speaker ryan is sounding
confident he has 218, right? you're opposed. democrats are opposed. what does paul ryan know that you or i don't? >> i think there's a little difference in what's being said, hallie. it's great to be with you. the debate just started 36 hours ago. it's amazing how a bill gets rolled out and we'll report it out of committee today. things normally don't happen that fast in d.c., but i can also say that 218 vote there is not any bill, whether it's the rand paul bill that we support or the gop bill that was rolled out yesterday that has 218 votes. a far cry from it. and the message we got it very different than what i'm hearing. maybe the president is behind this particular effort by the gop-led bill rolled out yesterday. we heard last night that they are open for negotiations. they want to improve it. this is the first step so we're working to make it better for the american people. >> so right at the top of that answer you sd something th
things are being said publicly. do you think we're hearing things publicly that are a lot different from what you're hearing privately with your colleagues? >> i can tell you that based on discussions we had last night there is zero scenario under the bill as it currently was presented for there to be 218 votes. and that is -- that's not saying we're all trying to get to yes and once we vote on it on the house floor, will there be 218 votes? i hope there's more than that. but we have to make some changes in order to do that. it's making sure we deliver on a promise to not only repeal it but to replace it with something that actually drives health care costs down so premiums go down. and that's what we're committed to do. >> you alluded to your meet with the vice president on tuesday. you were saying this morning he already acknowledged there will be changes that will have to be made to this bill. what modifications is the white house now talking about specifically to try to, for example, appease you and fellow
members of the freedom caucus. >> one of the specific things i brought up with the vice president and obviously i'm not going to share all the intimate details of the conversation -- >> i wish you would. >> i bet you would. i would share some specifics since you asked the question. under this current bill, insurance companies still can't provide cheaper health care coverage. for example, i can't go out and buy a catastrophic plan that has a deductible of 25,000 or $50,000. we're prohibited to do that. until we allow insurance companies to give greater flexibility on what they offer because right now they still have to offer, even under this gop-led plan, plans very similar to what we have on obamacare. so until we do that and i expressed that to the vice president, we're not going to drive health care costs down. so we've got to repeal that insurance mandate to make sure we start to give greater flexibility in the marketplace. >> congressman, we're watching now some members of the house leadership walk into this press conference.
it is set to begin any minute. that's what they're looking at. we'll try to dip in once we see house spear ryan and once he takes questions. in the meantime, i want to ask you more about this. this bill goes to mark-up in 25 minutes from now essentially. this official first chance for republicans to get their hands on it, and democrats, too. still no number on cost from the congressional budget office. no previous public hearings on this. are you concerned about what some critics call a lack of transparency? >> well, i think that any time that you end up reporting a bill out that we as members of congress just got to see. and it's not just members of congress. it's the american people. they've had very little time to look at this. as we're working it through the committee process, we need more time to have real debate about it. whether you are a democrat or republican, discuss the merits, argue them back and forth to make sure we're doing the best for the american people. and so as we do that, i don't want to be critical of anyone in terms of the process. this is an important issue and
as we get there, i believe that what we will do is level heads will get together. we'll hopefully hash this out in an open format and debate it and come up with a product that not only the house and senate can pass but the president can sign and that american people who are concerned about their health care costs, concerned about their health care, can once and for all be taken, you know, actually had it delivered to them. >> let me pull back to talk about the political picture here. how concerned are you that by coming out against this bill as you have, as some of your colleagues have, you are basically handing democrats a talking point where they can point to a divided, disorganized gop that can't govern. >> you know, obviously, any time that you speak on behalf of the american people and don't fall in line in a partisan way here in washington, d.c., there are side effects of that. in terms of having a real debate, i've reached out to five democrats to ask them what they would like to see in a replacement plan to get their input because it's not just the
district that i represent but it's people from new york and california, maine to florida and in between that have to weigh in on this. so to suggest that, you know, one party or one group have all the answers to it is not appropriate. at the same time, obviously, any time that you have a debate going on, you have to discuss it on the merits of that debate. i can tell you as we look at this, i'm looking forward to working with the president. those on the other side of the aisle, secretary price, and a number of them to actually come up with something that works. >> congressman, we're keeping an eye as well on that house leadership congress. the split screen here for our viewers. you can see it on one part of the screen. mick mulvaney was on this network earlier this morning. he said something that raise someday eyebrows. i'd play the sound bite but i'll read it to you. insurance is not really the end goal. he adds later we're choosing instead to look at what's more
important to ordinary people. can they afford to go to the doctor? what do you think director mulvaney meant by that, and is this a sign of where this battle is going? >> i think what -- i don't want to speak for director mulvaney who is a good, close personal friend and, obviously -- >> somebody you know, right? >> somebody i know well. so i don't want to speak for him, but having talked to him last night, i think we have to keep the focus, the main thing and that's on the patient and the people. if you start looking at protecting insurance companies or protecting other groups, other than the patient you've made a mistake. perhaps that's what he's talking about. not focusing on the insurance. but i can tell you around dining room tables across this country, defining decision on whether we've been successful or not is whether that insurance premium that comes in, the bill, goes down. and if it doesn't, we will have failed. >> let me ask you this, congressman and i promise i'll let you go. big picture. there's a lot of headlines.
republican revolt, right? we talk about frachkly a republican rebellion. conservative concerns about this bill. is that overblown or is there something to it? because you have a lot of folks, not just you, members of the freedom caucus. moderate senate republicans who have serious concerns. mo brooks came out and said something like paul ryan is going to need democratic support to pass this bill. accurate? >> you know, i don't know that there's any revolt. what there is is very impassioned debate. there is great pushback in terms of this particular bill and what we believe that we promised the american people. to have obamacare just in a different format with a different label with subsidies and a different manner doesn't really move the ball down the road and lower health care costs. is that overblown? i think the answer is yes. are there sharp divides in terms of what we believe the american
people expect and want? i think there are sharp divides and hopefully that we'll be able in the coming weeks to get some consensus. not only with 218 votes here in the house but 50-plus votes in the senate. >> congressman mark meadows, thank you for joining us. with me now, chris jansing, ashley parker. we have new information coming out from the white house. chris, we're learning more about who the president is set to meet with today to talk about health care and what the strategy is moving forward. >> they are talking about him meeting with members of these groups that have been so critical in sort of forming opinions of conservative thinkers everywhere. that is everything from the club for growth, heritage action for america, the koch brothers group, americans for prosperity. they're very influential in this. we saw yesterday he met with republicans. you have a situation where he is going to need to get those people on board. so he is talking about going out into some of those conservative
districts, using what he thinks was successful for him on the campaign trail, his powers of persuasion to get people out there, his base, to put pressure on some of those members in the house who have expressed some of their concerns about this. in addition, they've already started to press on radio. sean spicer and kellyanne conway and some key places in ohio and kentucky. when they said it's going to be very aggressive and a laser-like focus, they are showing today what they mean by that. >> chris, some puhback, to on a report the president is going to try to get rit retribution o people who don't back this bill. it's more of an olive branch. >> he's reaching out to people, bringing people in from the oval office. we spoke to rand paul that the president is picking up the phone and making a lot of phone calls to people against it trying to use those powers of persuasion. it's obviously critically important for him. this was one of the key promises he made on the campaign trail and it tests one of the key
reasons he said he should be elected and that's because he can make deals. >> chris jansing on the white house north lawn, thank you. i want to get to our folks on set. ashley, heidi, thank you much. you heard chris talk about the strategy for the white house moving forward. the president is in, according to administration officials, active discussions to get out to get on the road, do some traveling. i'm looking at this. we're going to listen into paul ryan. >> they need relief from obamacare now more than ever. you know why? because this law is rapidly collapsing. let's not forget that. premium went up double digits this year in 31 states. the insurers are telling us it will be even worse next year if we stay on this path. choices dwindled to the point that one out of every three counties in america is left with just one insurer to choose from. the ceo of aetna stated the law is in a death spiral. so we know without a shred of doubt that this law is
collapsing. that means this is the choice we face. are we going to stay with obamacare and ride out the status quo? are we going to just let this law collapse and whatever happens, happens? or are we going to do what we said we would do? are we going to repeal and replace obamacare with something better? this is the covenant that we made with the american people when we ran on a repeal and replace plan in 2016. this is what our bill does. go online. read for yourself. go to read the bill.gop. it repeals obamacare taxes, spending and obamacare's mandates. it creates a vibrant market where insurance companies compete for your business. where you have lower costs, more choices and greater control over your health care. and it returns power. this is most important. this returns power from
washington back to doctors and patients. back to states. this is what good, conservative health care reform looks like. it is bold, and it is long overdue. and it is us fulfilling our promises. so i encourage everyone to go online and read our bill at readthebill.gop. is there any questions? christina? >> do you expect some of the changes to the bill [ inaudible ]. >> as you know, we had this bottom-up process. it's been over a year long. last year we assembled working groups from the jurisdiction and any house republican that wants to participate in fashioning the repeal and replace plan. this year the committees have been leading a process all year long.
briefings, listening sessions, conferences, committee hearings, and we've got a lot of feedbecome from members over that process. our chairs, walden and brady and ways and means and commerce got feedback from members on two provisions. whether we have a cap on the size of the credit or whether there's a cap on the exclusion. those two concerns were addressed in the latest draft of the bill because again, this is a participatory process. a bottom-up process. those are the concerns that were brought to the committees or jurisdiction by lots of members. not just conservatives but lots of members and those concerns were addressed because it's an inclusive process. i think what you're seeing is we're going through the inevitable growing pains of being an opposition party to becoming a governing party. and being an opposition party we ha divided government. 64% of our members? 64% of our members hve never known what it's like to work with a republican president to have unified government. it's a new feel. it's a new system for people. but it's all the more reason why
we have to do what we said we would do and deliver for the american people and govern and use our principles. that's what this is. yeah? >> you seem to be trusting the white house to help deliver some of the votes you need to get this done. are you outsourcing this, and are you confident the white house will deliver? >> this is a team sport. and this is something -- i talked to the president twice yesterday. he had dozens of members down at the white house yesterday. we're working hand in glove with president trump, vice president pence, secretary price. this is an all hands on deck because we all ran on repeal and replacing obamacare. if we do nothing, the system collapses. if we just repealed it, the system collapses. this is why we have to pass it with something better. look. i would just say this. look at what this does. this is a conservative wish list. look at what this bill does. it repeals obamacare's taxes. that's a trillion dollars in tax relief for families that will help them with the cost of health care. repeals obamacare spending. medicaid exknroons and obamacare
subsidies. it repeels the obamacare mandates on individuals and businesses. ends the funding for planned parenthood and sends it to community health centers which there are more of. it has a medicaid per capita block grant. that's the biggest entitlement reform anyone here has seen. it nearly doubles the amount of money people can put into health savings accounts. that's a law i co-authored which is what conservatives believe is critical for creating a free market in health care. it equalizes the tax treatment of health care. tax credit for health insurance is something we as health care conservative reformers have been working on for years. this has been the crown jewel of conservative health care reform to equalize the tax treatment of health care so we can have a vibrant individual market. to bring consumers into the market to put pressure on providers. this is what's wrong with health care among many other things. we don't have true price and quality competition in health care. we want all the providers of health care services, insurers,
doctors, hospitals, everyone competing against each other for our business as patients. as consumers. you do that when you create a vibrant individual market. lower cost, more competition, more choice and, most importantly, get washington out of the business of being a nanny state. of micromanaging and rung health care into the ground. get it back to patients. get it back to doctors. get it back to states. that's what this does. this is monumental, exciting, conservative reform that fixes these problems. this is something that people -- i've been working on this for 20 years. this is exciting. this is what we've been dreaming about doing, and we know it's going to make a positive difference in people's lives in this country. and it's juxtaposed against the backdrop of a collapsing law that's doing real damage to families every day in america. susan? >> can you give us an update on the cbo score? do you expect it this week? >> i don't know the answer to
that. we know it will come well before the bill gets to e floor. it's very common you have mark-ups in authorizing committee levels before you have a score. that's common practice. because we made some changes this weekend to accommodate members conserves, particularly conservatives, that pushed the date back. so i expect at the beginning of next week we'll get the score, well before we go to the floor. >> you say you have no doubt you'll get the 218 votes necessary to pass the bill. what gives you that certainty. what your seeing -- >> i have no doubt we'll pass this because we're going to keep our promises. every house republican -- i think every republican in congress, including the president of the united states made a promise to the american people. and the promise we made to the american is we're going to repeal and replace obamacare. because we made that promise, i'm confident we'll make good on that promise. thank you. >> so house speaker paul ryan there talking about what he described as a conservative wish list inside this new bill to
repeal and replace the affordable care act adding we know if we just repeal this, he says, the system will collapse. calling this, by the way, a team sport. essentially making extremely clear that house republicans and the white house, according to paul ryan, are in lockstep on this plan. the speaker saying he spoke with president trump twice yesterday. we understand from sources inside the house republican conference this morning that that's a message the speaker reiterated to his members. i'm joined by ashley and heidi. i'll let you speak finally. what do you think from what we heard from speaker ryan. the idea that he's giving the hard sell. how tough is his job? who has the tougher job? him or president trump? >> they have incredibly difficult jobs and really different ways. speaker ryan -- first of all, just running that conference is like herding cats. there's a reason john boehner sort of stepped down. it's very difficult. and he -- they are in a tough position because as heidi remembers, as you remember, they voted dozens of times to repeal
obamacare. >> 60-plus, i think. >> now they have the house, the senate, the white house. they've run out of excuses not to do this. president trump, his difficult thing is he also wants to get this through. he cares less about the policy than paul ryan but what he deeply cares about is achievement. he's been complaining to his aides he isn't getting as much credit than president obama. if this doesn't pass this will be a big blemish on somebody's record who only speaks the language of victory. >> this is going to mark-up today, the official chance for the changes to begin, without a congressional budget office score. how much it's going to cost. paul ryan said no big deal. does that go against a lot of the discussion that republicans have had over the last seven years before president trump was in office? >> that's huge. i spent five years of my life sitting outside committee rooms because they were fighting nickel and dime for everything to be offset. fundamentally to use a medical metaphor, they're not describing how -- what they are prescribing is going to have the end effect
on the patient. this is going to lower premiums but at the same time they're taking away essential funding mechanisms. taking away the taxes which they are not mostly taxes on middle class people. they're taxes on rich people. they're taxes on medical providers. at the same time, they are block granting medicaid. what is that? that's code for we're cutting it back drastically in terms of what the federal government is providing. >> that's a sticking point for moderate republicans. >> exactly. how do you take away the funding mech inform and, by the way, these insurance companies are going to magically give you cheaper insurance. >> kasie hunt is joining us, popping up right after that news conference from paul ryan. give us some context here. what is the biggest takeaway, the big messaging push for the day. >> i think the takeaway for today is the role that the white house is going to play in selling this. and just how committed is the president to making sure that all of this works? it sounds like republicans feel like that committee is there.
and i would say even more than commitment, clarity. they knew that the president wanted to repeal and replace the former president's health care law. but there's been a lot of confusn. a lot of kind of muddled messing out of the white house on a variety of issues to a certain extent. people haven't been sure who to call or to talk to. so i think over the course of the last 24 hours, the white house has gotten it together a little more and made it more clear that this is the legislation that they are going to fight for. now the question is, does that continue forward? they have said, look, we're open to negotiation. we want conservatives in particular to feel like we can try to make a deal on this. the tricky part is going to be, though, as you know, oftentimes the president is affected by the last person who happened to be in his ear. when you're working on something as complicated as health care saying, yes, i'll do this thing that, you know, this one member who sounds very rational is
telling me we ought to do can cause a collapse in another area. it's a delicate balancing act. at this point, the goal for republicans is to get to the 218 votes. that's why they were meet with the whip team yesterday, the people that will be koupcountin those votes. this is still a long road for this bill. >> kasie hunt, another busy day on capitol hill. coming up next, talking about something else making big headlines today. the fallout from the wikileaks release of a whole bunch of documents that it claims details the cia's hacking secrets. so just how damaging is this release if these documents are actually authentic? and what does it mean for your personal privacy? we're asking the former white house chief technology officer. he joins us after the break. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order
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police are trying to figure out how a charter bus got stuck on train tracks leading to that crash that leaves four people dead this morning. a freight train plowed into the bus in biloxi, mississippi. 40 people were hurt. eight are still in critical condition. a lot of them had to be cut out of the wreck. the bus left from austin, texas and was headed to a casino in biloxi. another wave of bomb threats this week. some called into antidefamation league office novembers five cities yesterday. similar calls made to jewish community centers from chicago to upstate new york down to
florida. in all, 14 bomb threats by phone or e-mail in ten states have happened this week bringing the total since january to 135. in response to the latest round of threats, all 100 u.s. senators signed a letter calling on the trump administration to take swift action. press secretary sean spicer said sthe white house would continue to condemn the constant threats. president trump's new travel ban is getting a new challenge from out west. hawaii is suing to block the most recent execute uf order which the state attorney general lls muim ban 2.0. the state initially challeng the president's original executive order before it was blocked by a federal judge in seattle. state attorney general douglas chin slammed the order saying it leaves the door open for even further restrictions. fbi director james comey wrapped up some rarkss at a cybersecurity conference in boston. he didn't talk about the latest document dump from wikileaks which claims to have obtained the most sweeping collection of cia documents ever. he also didn't talk about
president trump's unsubstantiated claim that president obama ordered trump tower to be wiretapped during the campaign. what comey did talk about, the need for the fbi to do more to attract young talent to fight cyberthreats. >> come be part of this mission. come be part of something that is really hard that is really stressful that does not pay you a lot of money that does not offer you a lot of sleep. how often does that sound? the good news is, there's a whole lot of people young people want to be part of that kind of mission. the director saying he plans to be in this job. let's bring in matt rosenberg and join me on set former chief technology officer under president obama, anish chopra. back with me ashley parker and msnbc political analyst heidi przybala.
how do we know if this stuff is authentic? how do we know it's not fake news? >> we've got a number of officials telling us it is authentic. the cia has not pushed back on this. so we at this point do believe it is authentic. it looks like they were trying to build a framework to break into a number of different devices and operating systems. a lot of it, though, these are probably the most frat boy like hackers at the cia naming programs after wild turkey, lefreud, adderall and mcnuggets. >> one is named weeping angel. that is raising some real questions for people who have tvs and have smartphones. talk us through what that does. >> so that is to break into your smart tv and turn it into a listening device. there have been problems with smart tvs before and samsung in 2015 had some issues. they had to acknowledge they were recording sound which is then being transmitted to third parties for voice recognition. it's an important lesson.
if you have devices listening to you all the time, they can be hacked into and turned into listening devices. the phone is what everybody has on them all the time. for a while we've known that phones can be done. that a phone can look off but it's not fully off once its battery is in and can be turned into a remote listening device, remote camera. they were developing tools to do that. also tools to get around the encryption in apps like signal and whatsapp. but they were going to take control of the phone and look at what you are writing as you type out messages. >> from a national security perspective, what is the impact of this wikileaks dump? does this mean the cia has been compromised? >> we're trying to assess that this morning. it's hard to tell. this stuff is done incredibly kr secretive about it. i spent about 15 years overseas. a lot of it is war zones and that every terrorist or militant we're going after believes we're monitoring them through their phones already. this isn't going to surprise
them. that said, the actual tools, tips, trade of that they're doing. that's a lot for people to know and that does open it up to people taking countermeasures. >> matt rosenberg giving us the national security perspective there from "the new york times" newsroom. thanks. aneesh chopra is on set to talk about people. what's the effect of consumers. what do people need to do to protect themselves? >> let's begin by acknowledging we see the benefits of these digital services in our lives. the demand is high. so companies want to provide them to us. the problem is they're not shipping them with the security that we need to know we're not going to be subject to these privacy attacks. first and foremost we want to make se when you can turn on two factor authentication. not only can you turn on the device but you're confirming you are who you are when you turn them on. >> simple enough for people at home to do? >> it is simple enough. and make sure, if possible that you make sure the systems are updated or patched. you see that icon that says update your security, please do
because that software update often has those security patches. more important we must live in a world we acknowledge some of these services we want are going to be shipped. and the messages to tech companies, deliver them more securely. >> aneesh, what is the -- what do people do at this point in the sense of, you know that your stuff is potent yelly at risk. >> yeah. >> do you just accept it? >> well, we are living in a world where accepting is not good enough. we want to make sure the people are buying these products from get the message loud and clear that we want them to be secure when they ship to our homes. that message is starting to resonate, and it's why the cybersecurity industry is on the up tick. >> it's an industry you know very well from your time working for former president obama in the building behind me here. apple put out a statement. we know google and other companies are looking into this. apple's statement says our initial analysis indicates many issues leaked today were already patched in the latest ios. we'll continue to rapidly address any identified vulnerabilities. we always urge customers to
doumd the latest ios to make sure they have the middle east recent security updates. is this a mad scramble to make sure people are protected or have they been working on this over time? >> what's happening now is more organizations are encouraging outsiders to find flaws in their programs. the defense department's bug bounty program. private companies are doing something like that. help us find our own bugs. >> hack our stuff to find our bugs. >> so we can prepare. a lot of the tools you might have been seeing in the release have already been patched not only from apple but others because they're now building that culture of security by design. and we're trying to get into that mind-set that's let's find out in a way crowd sourcing from the public ways to find these vulnerabilities to shorten the time of impact. >> pop quiz for you. in one sentence, if somebody is watching us, wikileaks dump. what is the thing they need to know if they are looking at the tv right now somewhere out in the middle of america? >> i think it's a trust in government question. are we league safe in this country? and are we making sure that our
intelligence community has the tools they need to keep us safe? and whoever is leaking this information is keeping americans less safe. and i think the broader question is our security in the world, we have to make sure we've got these systems more locked down. >> i'm not going to ding you for making that more than one sentence. but let's pick up on that, ashley and heidi. he has said congress needs to pay more attention to this. should we expect hearings? what do you think? >> i think that's an open question, but i think one thing that is being born out is what the hillary clinton campaign sort of warned about. the hacks we saw, wikileaks, they obviously hurt her campaign in 2016. but in theory this could come to hurt donald trump, a future president, sort of anyone they n't like. in general this culture of leaks is not a good one. >> i think you have to look at the record of wikileaks here in terms of going after any person or institution that would create a problem for donald trump. first it was hillary clinton.
now it's the cia, which, as we know is investigating trump's ties to russia. the information that we have right now is that wikileaks did get its information from russia in the first place. you have to look at what the attent is here. is it to tip us off about some deep state spying against us when there's no evidence of that or to sow distrust among americans in our institutions. >> thank you for joining us on our set. matt rosenberg there earlier. a live look now on capitol hill where at this moment a couple house committees are marking up or making changes to the republican plan to replace obamacare. as we've been talking about it, it's already getting met with rezr resistance from some top conc n conservatives. we'll be joins by one democrat after the break to talk about whether he could ever support this plan.
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republicans and democrats are officially getting their hands on this bill, walking through it, talking through it. and no surprise, the fate of this thing is still an open question. congressman dan kilday, democrat from michigan is joining us. thank you for being here. i want to start with something that one of your colleagues said, republican colleagues. saying at this point, right now the speaker of the house does not have the votes to pass this bill unless he's got substantial democratic support. so is there any chance you would ever support this thing? what would it take? >> i cannot imagine a circumstance that would have me or any other of my democratic colleagues support this. it's a huge tax break for the richest americans, and it will cost people who just want to get health care more for coverage that is less than what they have right now. so i don't know where they might get the idea that this plan could generate any democratic votes. but from what i can hear there's no subject among my colleagues.
and i can never imagine supporting it. >> seems like more of a political play by congressman brooks. the "detroit news" reporting that officials in your state, michigan, are trying to figure out how this will affect medicaid expansion. 650,000 people enrolled in that program. talk about that expansion to 2020. is that something you can get behind or do you have questions about the medicaid expansion portion that's critical to other states? >> it would mean the loss of medicaid as a guaranteed benefit. it would allow states at some point in time to begin to design their own systems. it could leave a lot of people who are right now eligible out. and i just can't imagine that any of us could support that. the medicaid expansion was an essential part of the affordable care act architecture. it provides coverage for those of modest means and allows them that bridge to the potential of being able to procure their own
insurance. taking that away will not only be bad for those folks and restructuring it a, louing straights to destructure it, bad for the individuals it will blow up state budgets but also has an effect of shifting costs back to private insurers. back to medicare. and the federal government ends up paying the price for that anyway. i can't see any way that gets any momentum at all. >> let me ask you about another big story. we're seeing what "the new york times" is calling the largest leak of cia documents in history. are you confident in the wake of this kind of leak that the president can work effectively with members of his intelligence community? >> the president has insulted the intelligence community on a regular basis. right now, implicitly is insulting them by somehow claiming they were complicit in a wiretap of trump tower. how he can then turn to them for the kind of activity that they're involved with every day that secures the american people is, i think it's a real serious
question. and it proves and shows that there are consequences to the irrational and sort of bizarre behavior that we've seen from this president. it doesn't happen in a vacuum. it's not limited to his twitter followers. there are real consequences. his ability to work with the intelligence community, his ability to work with congress or with other nations is being compromised by his, frankly, bizarre behavior. >> so you are calling this bizarre. you've called the tweet accusing president obama wiretapping trump tower bizarre. we're going to press it to congress that the house intelligence committee can look into thi do you believe that's appropriate that it is okay for the house intelligence committee to see if there's anything out there on this? >> i think the congress should look at everything that this president is doing. i don't think it makes sense for the president to make a baseless claim for which he has absolutely no evidence. it's pure conjecture or paranoia and then say people are saying
this happened so the house of representatives needs to look into it. the president could call the head of the fbi, the head of the cia whom he appointed and ask them whether or not this is true. they can give him a straight answer. we know why he doesn't want to do that because we know what the answer is. this is why i say the behavior is bizarre. i don't see how this ends well for the president and it hurts our country. it's not a good thing. >> congressman, ashley parker from "the washington post" has a question for you. >> congressman, thank you. going back to health care, michigan is a state that president trump won, but won narrowly. he's talked about taking the show on the road. if he goes into michigan fd tries to sell this, will that help get it across the finish line or what are the challenges he might face on the ground there? >> it will not help him. when we look at what the proposal does, basically providing a tax, an aiming tax so people at the top end of the
age expect rum aspectrum are go more. now they'll have to pay up to five times what younger insured individuals will pay, that's an age tax. i don't know how he goes back to some of these people who put their faith in him because they believe he would bring the jobs back and say, by the way, you are going to get less health care coverage, you'll have to pay much more for it because i have decided as president that i am going to give $600 billion in tax breaks to the richest americans. that is not going to sell with those trump voters who were putting their faith in him. and it's not going to help him in michigan or any other state. >> i have to ask you about some chatter throughout. any plans to run for governor in 2018? >> i'll make up my mind when the time is right. i'm really focused right now on this. on this battle here in washington. we start these elections far too soon anyway. some time in this year i'll have to make a decision on where i
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right now on capitol hill, the republican mission to repeal and replace obamacare begins really officially in earnest today. two house committees, you are looking at them there on the split screen. ways and means and energy and commerce starting to dig through this now in a process called mark-up. just a couple minutes ago, we heard from both sides of the aisle. paul ryan and democratic caucus
chairman joe crowley, i believe. here's what paul ryan had to say, if we have it. >> this is monumental, exciting, conservative reform that fixes these oem thiss something that people -- i've been working on this for 20 years. this is exciting. this is what we've been dreaming about doing and we know it's going to make a positive difference in people's lives in this country. >> democrats, of course ustill expressing concerns. i want to bring in forbes opinion editor and one of the top conservative thinkers on elt care. check out his latest op-ed. gop's obamacare replacement will make coverage unaffordable for millions, he says. otherwise it's great. not snark. heidi and ashley back as well on set. i want to get right to you. you've been a critic of obamacare. you also have concerns about what republicans are now calling this american health care act. you are breaking it down into the good, bad and terrible. break it down with us. let's start with the good.
you are digging medicaid reform, right? >> medicaid right now, the program underpays doctors, relative to private insurance. a lot of people have this card that says they have health insurance but they can't get access to doctors. and the reforms republicans are contemplating would help fix that problem and give members who are enrolled in medicaid more flexibility to access the care they need. that part is good. but the problem is these tax credits providing health coverage to people who are above the poverty line. people who are too wealthy for medicaid. that's where this plan runs into problems. >> and that's the bad, you call it? >> yeah, so basically the challenge there is that the plan basically has this flat tax credit that offers about $3,000 for a middle aged person to buy health coverage they want. sort of phases out if you make six figures or so. the problem is that level of assistance isn't enough for people who are really, really poor whose incomes are just
above the poverty line. not enough for people who are really sick who otherwise would face high premiums. what the paul ryan plan is going to do is it's going to increase subsidies for high income people who don't need the help and decrease assistance for people who are low income or sick and price them out of the market and lead to millions not being able to afford health insurance. >> one of the topics, this idea of continuous coverage. the 30% premium essentially that will be put on folks if they let their insurance lapse for a couple of months. you call it the potential for a death spiral. how do republicans get around that in this new plan? >> yeah, they just -- it was weird they specified the exact percentage they were going to allow insurers to charge extra if people enrolled in insurance outside of the normal enrollment periods. that was basically an arbitrary number and what that's going to do is it's going to encourage helping people to stay out of the market, stay insured. and it's going to encourage sick people to take advantage of that
surcharge. that surcharge is actually -- if you just had a heart attack and your health premiums would otherwise double, a 30% increase is actually a good deal. you're encouraging people to stay out of the market. we want to encourage people to have health insurance continuously so they don't have those gaps in their coverage and higher cost as a result. >> you have an interesting perspective. you have the academic expertise. you've also worked on campaigns. paul ryan called this bill a conservative wish list. it ticks off everything on the wish list. is it? >> well, if you look at the commentary from all the conservative health care experts out there over the last 24, 48 hours, pretty much nobody is happy with this bill because it tries to split the difference. it tries to placate the people who don't want means tested assistance for the lower income population. the more hard line community. and it also says we'll do something, some sort of half measure to help the uninsured
get covered. nobody is happy. people like me who advocate universal coverage, this bill is not going to achieve that goal. and then the people who say on the hard right that we shouldn't subsidize coverage at all for people who are uninsured, they're not happy either. you have to pick a side and the paul ryan bill different either. >> one thing not inthis bl is letting people buy insurance across state lines. this will be rolled out in the next couple of phases potent yelly. talk about that. would that bring in more competition, drive down sghoft how essenti cost? how essential is that? >> buying insurance across state lines can help in some areas. take new york city or st. louis. metropolitan areas that spill out over state lines. if you have insurance products that could reflect a true metropolitan area, that could increase competition for patients' business and insurers' business and drive down premium in those areas.
it's not a silver bullet that's going to magically solve all the problems in our health care system. we need to provide financial assist apance to low income and sick people who otherwise can't buy their own coverage. we spent $1.3 trillion a year through medicare and the tax break for employer-based health insurance to subsidize upper income health insurance and that's what we've got to rebalance in any real sustainable bipartisan health reform. >> if you were advising president trump right now, avik, what would you tell him to do? >> what i would tell him to do is to stick to the bottom line promise that he's been making to americans for 17 years. he says he supports insurance for everybody. he supports universal coverage. we need to take care of the vulnerable in our society. he's been saying that for years. what he should tell congress is no bill that fails to achieve that goal or at least gets us morprogress towards that goal is one that he'll sign. if he says to congress, unless you send me a bill that covers
more people than obamacare or the same number of people as obamacare, that will clarify a lot of the warfare we're seeing on the hill right now and make the process a lot easier. he hasn't been doing that. i think he needs to exhibit that leadership and that assertiveness in order to get this process going. >> avik roy, thank you much. that does it for us in this hour of msnbc. a huge thank to heidi and ashley. coming to hang out on set with us all hour long. lots happening this hournd next hour as well. i'll toss it over to ali velshi. >> can i come hang out on that deck? >> any time you want. >> have a fantastic rest of the day. we'll see you probably later on. right now, the health plan revolt. republicans infighting over the new gop health care bill this morning. can democrats rally support to stop it? the strategy from all sides. and how the new plan is going to affect you. also wikileaks fallout. thousands of purported documents allegedly stolen from the cia. all indicating that your mobile
devices, your tvs, even most secure cell phone apps can be hacked at any time. plus, taking a stand around the country. thousands of women are marking international women's day with a demonstration called a day without a woman. we're live on the ground for that. good morning. i'm ali velshi at msnbc headquarters in new york. republicans are moving swiftly with their plan to repeal and replace obamacare. right now two powerful house committees, the ways and means and energy and commerce committees are holding what are called mark-up sessions to consider possible changes to the plan which republicans call the american health care act. the committees will hold key votes with the aim of the full house voting next week. the plan faces significant hurdles with democrats united against it and the most conservative republicans in both the house and the senate rebelling. >> today i'll be introducing legislation which just says clean repeal. we had our meeting last night